there's -- if i were to come up to -- if the killers were to come up in new york, we would not have existed or we would just be a very small, you know, maybe indie band. because there's so much pressure to be cool everywhere else. i have no idea, these words indie, hipster, all this stuff, did not exist in nephi, utah. i liked it because i liked it. and we make songs that we like. and it doesn't matter, you know. we don't understand the idea of discriminating people, you know, from your music if they're not wanting this group to like you, not wanting that group to like you. it's about shooting for the stars. >> did you see yourself being as big as bono? >> i don't know if that will ever happen. i don't know if i have the social skills. but it's something that, you know, you have to admire. >> you don't set any cap, any limit on how big you want to get? >> no, no. we're going for it. you know.